Willipa Bay for springers? - Bob's Pisctorial Pursuits

#798052 - Today at 10:25 AM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: slabhunter] Juvenile at Sea Registered: 01/03/06 Posts: 185 Loc: Wa I doubt they will as the majority of funding comes from BPA. Also the returns are similar to what the Kalama and Lewis have experianced over the last several years, to Plant 350K smolts and not harvest 100 adults is a joke. The Kalama had some great years when they were planting Carson upriver stock. But HSRG put a stop to that and returns have plumeted since not sure why they plant fish that dont return in significant numbers but they should focus on results instead of how many turds they release. Not too many years ago I caught many springers in the Elochoman while summer steel fishing and was told these were Deep river strays, what were they doing 5 years ago that they are not doing now? Top

#798104 - Today at 12:30 PM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: slabhunter] Repeat Spawner Registered: 12/29/99 Posts: 1018 Loc: Vancouver, Washington Stocking springers in Willapa Bay would be poor fisheries management. Sorry to be so direct, but spring Chinook need cold water all summer so they can spawn in late August or September. The Willapa Bay tribs do not flow off the Cascades (like the Cow, Lewis, and Kalama) so they get really warm during the summer. That would be a death trap for springers. I agree with Slab on the Kalama River. Back in 2007, they got 7000 springers back to the rack. That was twice as many as they've ever seen. Plus the recreational fishing was outstanding that year. Off the charts. Since then, they've closed the season early every year because they're not getting any fish back. That happened in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and again this past spring. In fact, this year the Kalama Rv hatchery did not make their egg take for springers, so they got some from the Cowlitz hatchery. What's worse is that since 2007, Kalama Rv spring Chinook don't show up in any fishery - recreational, commercial or Tribal. So whatever they're doing isn't contributing to the fishery resources of the State of Washington. I'm hoping they change back to Carson stock, if they haven't already. I'm not sure springers were ever native on the Kalama Rv so I'm not sure why they're concerned about wild fish. _________________________ MSB Top

#798184 - Today at 05:05 PM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: Salmo g.] River Nutrients Registered: 04/25/00 Posts: 2713 Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Elma Sg: 25+ years ago, Tom Pent, a WDFW person, and someone from the Chehalis tribe,and myself went to the holding ponds below the dam on the Skookumchuck. The purpose, was to see if those holding ponds would be OK to be used for Spring Chinook. That was before the "merger" of Salmon and Wildlife departments. At some point in time, springers went by the wayside and the ponds were used for Coho for PS. While you might be correct on the "more problems than solutions"....just seems that politics gets involved too much of the time in Region 6. _________________________ "Worse day sport fishing, still better than the best day working" Top

#798231 - Today at 07:41 PM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: Salmo g.] River Nutrients Registered: 04/25/00 Posts: 2713 Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Elma Sg: Of course you're correct.......the river that has the "best chance" got written off when Dick Stone was the head WDFW bio in Region 6. Lot's of meetings, to much "spinning of wheels", fight, fight fight.....mini hatchery below Wynoochee Dam, then holding ponds......now all these years later.....nothing.......springers got "killed off", can't get Region 6 to want to do anything with mitigation monies. Last I heard,.........well what I heard...no fish were to be raised..........grrrrrrrr $2.4 million.... to be pissed away. Edited by DrifterWA (Today at 07:42 PM) _________________________ "Worse day sport fishing, still better than the best day working" Top

#798232 - Today at 07:48 PM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: DrifterWA] Spawner Registered: 10/09/04 Posts: 972 Loc: Napavine,Washington It seems like it would be very counter productive to add additional Springers to the Chehalis. Yes, it already has a native run as does the Newaukum and the Skookunchuck. I say it would not be a good use of resource money just due to the extensive netting by the QIN. Any more fish in the system would increase netting pressure and put even more pressure on the native steelhead that are in the system at the same time frame. Top

#798235 - Today at 07:58 PM Re: Willipa Bay for springers? [Re: laterun] River Nutrients Registered: 04/25/00 Posts: 2713 Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Elma laterun: QIN pretty much net, 12/1 - 5 or 6/1, and have for many years. Nat's and late Silvers, pretty much gone on Wynoochee, Satsop, and Chehalis. What is a "good use of resource money"......if you have any ideas.....let fish management, in Region 6, know.......they don't have a clue. _________________________ "Worse day sport fishing, still better than the best day working" Top

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